MacTavishes always had an answer. [Then I] worked at the carpenter work in there for Schurman's and Walter Matheson . Worked quite a little spell. Well, 1944,1 started working for Schurman's. I built some houses on my own, five or six, I guess. I did better on that than working by the hour. Course, they were selling pretty cheap then. Eight thousand [for the first house in Parkdale ] and it sold here just a couple of years ago for 14,000. Could be more. I was always mucking at [fine carpenter work]. Oh, it was different then; you could take lots of time. But they couldn't wait for that today. You couldn't wait for built cupboards by hand anymore. Labour'd be too much. We never built any cupboards there in Kamloops since the first two years I was there. You can't compare with the big machines doing that. Blacksmiths and Pipers Lauchie [MacLean] came from . He worked there around the mines. He was a good blacksmith. He used to shoe horses, but he was good at other work. He was good at beating out axes and all that. There'd be mounting sleighs and putting shoeing on sleighs and fixing wheels, tires and wheels. He wouldn't make the woodwork but he'd do the ironwork. He'd put the wires on it. Lauchie was very famous for beating out axes, and tempering stuff; he was an expert on tempering stuff. And Jim Shaw . He came from Scotland and worked in the shipyards in Scotland . And he was a very good blacksmith - at heavy work or welding or tempering and all that. He was really good. And then John James took over, started to shoe horses. Quite often at John James Shaw 's there would be three or four waiting. They'd come, some of them'd come five or six miles to John James to shoe a horse. He was so good at it, I guess. Did a good job on the horse's foot. Worked there for a long time, years, till he died. There's no blacksmith around now at all is there? [Lauchie] played the pipes. He played the fiddle some, too. Yeah, he was very good, I guess. His father made bagpipes on the Island, after they came to the Island, down around near Murray River somewhere. Gladstone or somewhere down there. And he played the fiddle too. And he made fiddles too. Lauchie didn't play a lot but he was good on the slow tunes you know. He used to go to Angus William Neil 's [MacLeod], and Johnny' s [ William Neil , brother of Angus], so when they were young men they were real good Johnnie MacEachern 217