Wednesday, March~13, 1968

know who he is, but I would suggest that he probably has enou h mon t him’going in the summertime but when he had to buy fuel in gthe Willetsgértfiilgeiell; dldnt have enough so he got $20.00 a month to buy his fuel for the winter.

Walter R. Shaw: He really had to go to live with a l t' ’ able to look after himself. re a we you see, and he wasnt

Hon. M. Lorne Bonnell: But he had extra needs in the wintertime therefore those needs. with $20.00 and in the summertime, if he had need, he could ’hbfenl‘i‘i: case reconsidered and if he stlll has needs he will be paid again during the summer.

“rigtel‘ R. Shaw: What would be the total amount he would have available, he could ge .

Hon. M. Lorne Bonnell: Just depends on the individual. Some individual h f bill of $25.00 a month, some have a fuel bill of $15.00 a month. 5 ave a uel

Walter R. Shaw: What about his living‘, his food?

Hon. M. Lorne Bonnell: Some people eat better than others but we on the average,

unless he can produce the bills where he bought the food, we all h' I ' $30.00 a month for food. 0w 1m, thmk’

Walter R. Shaw: That would be in addition to his coal?

Hon. M. Lorne Bonnell: That would be in addition to his coal, his clothing and extra incidentals.

Walter R. Shaw: Thank you, Mr. Minister, I just wanted to get that straight.

Hon. M. Lorne Bonnell: In 1966, as I say, the average pensioner received $10.16. The average penswn in 1967 jumped 100% to $20.23, so that the average pension now going out under the Canada Assistance Act is now $82.00 and some cents.

L. George Dewar: Are you just comparing those getting social assistance or the disabled and. . ..

Hon. M. Lorne Bonnell: I am comparing those that were getting Social Assistance with those receiving general welfare assistance.

L. George Dewar: Oh yes, but that is really not a correct comparison.

Hon. M. Lorne Bonnell: It is a comparison under the previous Minister of Welfare and under the previous Minister of Health.

L. George Dewar: You should include under the previous one all the Old Age Assis- tance and the disabled people too, to have a comparable group.

Hon. M. Lorne Bonnell: We haven’t got all the disabled and all the old age assis- tance transferred over to general welfare. We have some three hundred and some still remaining in both cases.

L. George Dewar: You are putting them all under that group now?

Hon. M. Lorne Bonnell: Don’t forget that our old age assistance is leaving us be- cause of the old age security taking them over, three hundred per year.

L. George Dewar: That’s right, so your group is getting smaller.

Hon. M. Lorne Bonnell: Your pension under your administration when you were saying they were getting a better deal was $10.16 and under ours it is $80.20.

L. George Dewar: That is just released though.

Hon. M. Lorne Bonnell: Now somebody asked a question the other day how Sum- merside was getting nearly as much assistance as Charlottetown and the population was less.

J. Walter Dingwell: That’s a good question.

Hon. M. Lorne Bonnell: I didn’t happen to be here to answer the question, so maybe if my honourable friend, the Leader of the Opposition, would take note I will try

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